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        <title>First Amendment Freaks</title>
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            <title>Separation of Church and State - A new Vox group invite.</title>
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            <author>nobody@vox.com(CtianX)</author>
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            <description>    &lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: center&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;You are invited to join a new Vox group:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://religiousfreedom.groups.vox.com/&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.95312em;&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Separation of Church and State&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: left&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: center&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;A group devoted to safe guarding the continued Separation of Church and State, protecting religious diversity and the right to believe or not to believe.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: left&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Fighting to keep the United States of America a Democracy and NOT a Theocracy.&amp;#160; &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;Challenging the views of the powerful &amp;quot;Religious Right&amp;quot; who believe:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;&amp;quot;Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the 
                cost. As the vice regents of God, we are to exercise godly dominion 
                and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government, 
                our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our entertainment 
                media, our news media, our scientific endeavors -- in short, over 
                every aspect and institution of human society.&amp;quot;&lt;/em&gt; - D James Kennedy spoken at the &lt;em&gt;&amp;quot;Reclaiming America 
              for Christ&amp;quot;&lt;/em&gt;.&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;The &amp;quot;Religious Right&amp;quot; has virtually taken over the Republican Party and is a force to be reckoned with. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;They are driving American politics, 
                using God as a battering ram&amp;#160;on&amp;#160;almost every issue: 
                crime and punishment, foreign policy, health care, taxation, energy, regulation, social services and so on.&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;They
intend to make America a &amp;quot;Christian Nation&amp;quot; and they are continually
challenging the First Amendment in regards to the Separation of Church
and State.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;This group supports a person&amp;#39;s right to practice
religion or not to practice religion.&amp;#160; This group does not support the
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://atheism.about.com/od/hostilitytoreligion/a/PublicReligion.htm&quot;&gt;eradication of religion from public life&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; and is against the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;extreme views of both the left and
the right&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; when it comes to the right to practice religion.&lt;br style=&quot;&quot; /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;&quot;&gt;&lt;br style=&quot;&quot; /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;Support these groups who are working to keep the Separation of Church and State:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theocracywatch.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Theocracy Watch&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.au.org/site/PageServer&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Americans United for Separation of Church and State&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firstfreedomfirst.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;First Freedom First&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.talk2action.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Talk to Action&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tialliance.org/home&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Interfaith Alliance&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
    
    
    





        






    
    
    





        






    
    
    





        






    
    
    





        





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&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;Sign the petition at &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firstfreedomfirst.org/node/962&quot;&gt;First Freedom First&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; to safe guard Separation of Church and State and protect religious liberty. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;The founders of our nation believed that all Americans should have the right
to worship according to their own beliefs, or not to worship at all. So strong
was their commitment to religious freedom that they enshrined it in the first
sentence of the Bill of Rights.&lt;/p&gt;
&amp;quot;Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof...&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
This constitutional guarantee is often known as the &amp;quot;first freedom.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Religion is a deeply personal matter. Americans must be free to practice their
religion without coercion. Government exists to provide for the general
well-being of all people, and its workings must be independent of specific
religious doctrines. Simply put, there must be a separation of church and
state.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
If we do not stand together as a nation, we stand to lose this fundamental
freedom.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;We, the undersigned, call upon elected and appointed officials to join
us in reaffirming America&amp;#39;s religious freedom by demonstrating a commitment to
the following:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;





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&lt;ul type=&quot;disc&quot;&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot;&gt;Every
     American should have the right to make personal decisions -- about family
     life, reproductive health, end of life care and other matters of personal
     conscience.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot;&gt;American
     tax dollars should not go to charities that discriminate in hiring based
     on religious belief or that promote a particular religious faith as a
     requirement for receiving services.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot;&gt;Political
     candidates should not be endorsed or opposed by houses of worship.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot;&gt;Public
     schools should teach with academic integrity and without the promotion of religious
     preference or belief.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot;&gt;Decisions
     about scientific and health policies should be based on the best available
     scientific data, not on religious doctrine.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;We join together, as the most diverse nation in the world, to commit
ourselves to defending and preserving this freedom.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://religiousfreedom.groups.vox.com/&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.95312em;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    &lt;p style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt; 
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            <title>It is time to unite and take on the Religious Right!</title>
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&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;Many of us who do not belong to a religion or do not
believe in God are very worried about some of the events which are being played
out each day by some people in the religious world.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;Some of the things occurring are minor things
which we can over look, however there are certain things which cannot be over
looked, because these activities actually threaten life as we know it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;From talking to many atheists I get the feeling that
they do not wish to destroy religion, but instead wish to be free from its domineering
nature. &lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/span&gt;Sam Harris is on record as
saying the problem with religious moderates is that they give cover to the
extreme elements in religion, and sadly I now have to agree with him. At
present rightly or wrongly it appears that in the main the only people prepared to really
stand up to the extremist views in Christianity, are the atheists and the
secularists.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;We continually hear the call for Muslims to denounce
the extremist elements in their religion, and many have been doing so for sometime now, although at times it seems their voices are purposefully ignored.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;I think it is really time for the sake of this planet’s
future that those who are not from the Religious Right be prepared to join
forces and stand up to the Religious Right and their extreme and sometimes
dangerous views.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;The reason some secularists appear hostile towards
Christianity at present, is because we can see the writing on the wall as the
Religious Right’s power starts to have a greater influence on our politics, both
on our domestic and on our foreign policies. Just as many stereotype all
Muslims as terrorists, it can be just as easy to stereotype many American
Christians as religious extremists.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;I do notice in the comments sections of some articles
written about some of those in the Religious Right, that some Christians are
labelling some sections of the Right as not being a true reflection of
Christianity and calling them a cult.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&amp;#160;
&lt;/span&gt;That acknowledgement is refreshing, but it will not be enough to stand
up against the very well organized Religious Right, we will need prominent
lobby groups to get our message across and it will mean the joining of forces
of people of religious and of non-religious backgrounds in order to make an
impact.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;I recently got tangled up in a discussion here at
Vox, where a group of Christians were actively promoting a petition to ban
Muslims from practicing Islam in this country.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;
&lt;/span&gt;Some of the supporters went even further and wanted all Muslims deported
from here and one wanted to go even further still and nuke Afghanistan and
Pakistan and eventually destroy the religion of Islam. A couple of the people
in support of the petition were hopefully acting due to fear of the unknown, so
I will give them the benefit of the doubt. However I believe these views are
still extreme and are definitely not a solution for peace in this country or
the world.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;I have decided not to protect religious extremists
anymore here at Vox, but instead out them.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;
&lt;/span&gt;So if anyone is interested here are the links to the posts in question:&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;Proposed Constitutional Amendment Against
Islam &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://hansgruen.vox.com/library/post/proposed-constitutional-amendment-against-islam.html&quot;&gt;Post
1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; and &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://twana.vox.com/library/post/proposed-constitutional-amendment-against-islam.html&quot;&gt;Post
2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;I may actually be running the
risk of promoting this petition and as a result more people may sign it, but
that is the risk I am prepared to take.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;One glaring thing was that only one Christian stood
up and opposed this view at these posts.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;
&lt;/span&gt;Perhaps those who knew about it thought it was a waste of time opposing
it, as the petition wouldn’t get very far, but is it right to look the other
way and say nothing, as isn’t that as good as agreeing with them.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;I don’t think we can afford to continue to
look the other way, when our country is literally being hijacked by the
Religious Right.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;The other possibility is some Christians may have
actually agreed with their stand, but were too afraid to say so.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;However to be fair there have been a number
of other posts mentioning these posts and some Christians have opposed the
petition on those posts.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;One of the points made in the discussion of the
petition against Muslims was a point which was continually made and I have seen
this point made elsewhere as well, is that Christianity has the ability to reel
in the rogue and extremist elements of Christianity, and adjust and contain
their extremist views.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;But I really
wonder if this is always true, because it seems to me that this is not quite
true.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;Also when the people promoting this
petition were accused of being extreme in their views, they could not see that this
was so.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;They cited two examples of Christians bringing other
Christians into line.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;The first example was WBC and it’s picketing of
returned soldiers funerals. &lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/span&gt;I agree that Christians have spoken out about
this deplorable act.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;However another
person challenged this argument by saying, “Yes, but where was the Christian
outcry when WBC was only targeting the funerals of gay men?”&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;To date there has not been a reply and there
won’t be given the time that has elapsed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;The second example was the FLDS issue, and how the
authorities in Texas had removed the children from ongoing abuse at the FLDS
property in Texas and this was cited as a case of Christians bringing other Christians
into line.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;Once again this was
challenged, given that this situation is not a recent situation and I read an &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alternet.org/rights/84790/?page=1&quot;&gt;article&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; yesterday which
indicates that this issue had been ignored for about 50 years due to the
problems authorities had with prosecuting people back in 1953. &lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&amp;#160;&lt;/span&gt;So effectively this situation has been
ignored for half a century and now that some action was taken in Texas,
Christians believe they can take the credit for helping to bring about this
change – I am sorry I don’t think so, not if the facts about how the Texas
authorities came to take action are looked at. &lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;The massive raid on Eldorado
compound &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://origin.sltrib.com/ci_9271334&quot;&gt;was triggered by
telephone&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; calls to an abuse hot line in which a woman claimed to be an
underage wife with children at the compound. Those calls are now believed to
have been a hoax.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;By writing this post I am not discounting the obvious
fact that the extremist views of some followers of Islam are a real threat to
the peace in this world, and it is a problem which needs to be addressed.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;But it is wrong to punish a whole people due
to the actions of some.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;It is however
our duty as Americans to reel in the rogue elements amongst ourselves, whether
they be people of faith or not.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;
&lt;/span&gt;Unfortunately, I do see many in the Religious Right as a danger to not
only our own country, but also to the rest of the world.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;Some Christians simply dismiss these Christian
extremists as people without any influence and we shouldn’t take any notice of
them.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;I disagree, when some of these
people have the ear of our politicians and strongly lobby our politicians then
we do have to take notice.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;Obviously I cannot name all of them, but they all
hang out together so that makes it rather easy.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;Let’s start with pastor Rod Parsley who believes we
are a “Christian Nation” who in part was formed to see the destruction of
Islam. One of the things I was told at the infamous Vox post was,&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;“Presently, I don&amp;#39;t see
Christians invading other people&amp;#39;s land in the name of Christianity”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;Let’s quote Rod Parsley:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;From his book&lt;em&gt;,
Silent No More&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt; in a chapter titled
&amp;quot;Islam: The Deception of Allah,&amp;quot; Parsley warns there is a &amp;quot;war
between Islam and Christian civilization.&amp;quot; Parsley does not differentiate
between violent Islamic extremists and other followers of the religion.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;At the end of his chapter on Islam, Parsley
asks, &amp;quot;Are we a Christian nation? I say &lt;em&gt;yes&lt;/em&gt;.&amp;quot; Without
specifying what actions should be taken to eradicate the religion, he
essentially calls for a new crusade.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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to Islam is quoted in this video clip:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;“Islam
is an anti Christ religion that intends through violence to conquer the
world.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;The fact is America was founded,
I am going to stagger you right now, America was founded in part with the
intention of seeing this false religion destroyed.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;Muhammad received revelations from demon
spirits not from the living God.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;America
has historically understood herself to be a bastion against Islam in the
world.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;In fact I will tell you this I do
not believe our nation can fulfill its divine purpose until we understand our
historical conflict with Islam.&amp;quot;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;The final part of the clip: &lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;&quot;&gt;“We were
built for the battle, we were created for the conflict, we get off on warfare.”&lt;/em&gt;
Can be seen in its original context in this clip.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt; The Commander and Chief he is referring to is
God and I am unsure if he is referring to real war or a spiritual war.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 0.8em;&quot;&gt;Unfortunately the person who made this clip over emphasized,&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 0.8em;&quot;&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;&quot;&gt;“we get off on warfare”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;and I feel that
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;In Parsley’s book he also bemoans the fact
that in the years after 9/11, 34,000 Americans &lt;em style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;quot;have become Muslim”&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;
&lt;/span&gt;Maybe instead of bemoaning the fact, he should ask the question
why?&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;What is Islam offering that
Christianity is not?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;Testimony
from a Californian lady, who was a practicing Christian and an active member in
her nearby Presbyterian church, wrote in her conversion story that despite her
active affiliation with the church, she always had serious questions about the
fundamentals of Christianity which did not make sense to her. The church
couldn&amp;#39;t give them good answers either, they only told them to &amp;quot;have
faith&amp;quot;. Her questions were answered when she took a course about Islam.
&amp;quot;This class brought back all of the concerns that I had about
Christianity. As I learned about Islam, all my questions were answered. All of
us are not punished for Adam&amp;#39;s original sin. Adam asked God for forgiveness and
our merciful, loving God forgave him. God doesn&amp;#39;t require a blood sacrifice in
payment for sin. We must sincerely ask for forgiveness and amend our ways.
Jesus wasn&amp;#39;t God, he was a prophet like all of the other prophets. This
answered all of my questions about the trinity and the nature of Jesus. I found
a teaching that put everything in its proper perspective and appealed to my
heart and my intellect. It seemed natural. It wasn&amp;#39;t confusing. I had been
searching and I had found a place to rest my faith.&amp;quot;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;I am not promoting Islam as a perfect
religion, but it obviously appeals too many and testimony such as this
indicates that Islam is quite often spread peacefully. Islam has just as much
right to exist as any other religion, and just because it does not seem
compatible with Christianity due to conflicting interpretations of dogma,
doesn’t make it any less legitimate.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;
&lt;/span&gt;What right does a Christian have to say Christianity&amp;#39;s view is correct
and another&amp;#39;s religion is not?&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;I no longer
believe in God, but I do not expect people to denounce their God, but I do
expect them to respect my right not to believe in God.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;When I see truly spiritual people practice
their religion in a fully compassionate and loving way, I am deeply moved and
it moves my own spirit. But when I see people abuse people with their religion,
I recoil in horror.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;So let’s discuss Rod Parsley.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;Here is a prominent pastor claiming that we
as a “Christian nation” should destroy the religion of Islam.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;This man has also endorsed a presidential
candidate and the candidate has accepted his endorsement.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;I think this would qualify as a potential
sign of a “Christian nation” supporting massive invasion and destruction of
lands and people in the name of Christianity. &lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;Another point about this situation is that
it portrays a very strong message to the Islamic communities around the world,
it reinforces what the likes of Osama Bin Laden has been telling Muslims, that
America does want to destroy Islam. So we are playing straight into the hands of the Islamic terrorists and we are creating the potential for more terrorists
to be born.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;Also what is the difference between an
Islamic cleric shouting, &lt;em&gt;“Death to America”&lt;/em&gt; in the name of Islam and what Rod Parsley
is shouting in the name of Christianity – NOTHING!&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;Also where does this attitude leave the 7
million Muslims living peacefully in this country, what sort of a terrible
message is this sending to them?&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;One more point before I move on.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;America was not founded with the intention of
seeing Islam destroyed.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html&quot;&gt;The Treaty of
Tripoli&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; indicates this.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&amp;quot;As
the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on
the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the
laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never
have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it
is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions
shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two
countries&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;.&amp;quot;(Musselmen means
Muslim)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;So as far as Parsley is concerned, I think
here we have an extremist in out midst’s going virtually unchecked by
mainstream Christianity. He also just happens to be a member of CUFI, along
with John Hagee who must be without doubt currently the most prominent “End
Timer” in our country.&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;So what is John Hagee and CUFI promoting? Let me see.
We should attack Iran with a preemptive nuclear strike and he quotes Biblical
verses to back his claim. His motive is so that Israel stays intact and let’s
be honest, he wants Israel intact initially so that his “End Time Prophesy” can
come true and part of the strike on Iran is to do with his prophesy. So I would
classify that as attacking a country in the name of Christianity and not
necessarily in defense.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;
What else does CUFI promote? It promotes that Israel should not give up any
land to Palestine, even though the land in question is what is rightfully
theirs as stated by UN guidelines. So rather than encouraging peace, as I would
have thought most Christians would be about, he and his followers demand (&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial; font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cufi.org/site/PageServer?pagename=advocate_action_alerts&quot;&gt;Update
on Annapolis Rapid Response Action Alert&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; that the US
government not put any pressure on Israel to give up any land and their
reasoning once again is purely biblical, and has to do with End Time Prophesy,
as Israel must remain intact and not be divided for the prophesy to unfold as
planned. So instead of promoting peace and looking out for the long term
welfare of the Palestinians and the Israelis, he and his group are more
interested in their own interests i.e. their version of the “End Time
Prophesy”. Interesting article: &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/08/AR2008050801521_pf.html&quot;&gt;5
Myths on Who&amp;#39;s Really &amp;#39;Pro-Israel&amp;#39;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;Here is what his followers believe, which
shows Hagee’s real intention:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;Near the end of this video Hagee makes the
Jewish claim for Israel based on it being passed down through Abraham to his
son Isaac.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;Here is another &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week605/feature.html&quot;&gt;item of
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Ishmael who it is said that the Muslims descended from and according to Islam
the Muslims also have a right to the Holy land.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;
&lt;/span&gt;Who is right and who is wrong, well who would know, but according to the
Bible Abraham was buried and there were two mourners, Isaac and Ishmael --
together.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;Genesis 25.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;Wouldn’t it be nice for the rest of the world
if the Jews and the Muslims could share the land equally?&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;Some of us are sick of the squabbling over
this piece of land.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;
The views of Hagee and CUFI which seem to be influencing our foreign policy
have grave implications for the rest of the world. So I consider them extreme,
as they may create a nuclear war which may destroy our planet.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/span&gt;It is
time to bring them to task.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;See this
website for a more rational view and a starting point at tackling the Christian
extremists. &lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.christianzionism.org/default.asp&quot;&gt;Challenging Christian
Zionism&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;I would also suggest the
book &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tikkun.org/rabbi_lerner/books/left-hand&quot;&gt;The Left Hand
of God&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;I have another concern about the Religious Right and
the preaching of the “End Times Prophesy” and that is the negative impact it is
having in some third world countries.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;Take
for instance missionary work in Uganda, here is a well meaning &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yesumulungi.com/Articles/Pictures1.htm&quot;&gt;missionary&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
preaching the gospel and sadly also preaching “End Time Prophesy”. The effects
of this prophesy in a country where many have a poor life with little
opportunities results in many giving up on their future.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;
As a Uganda Newspaper editor Andrew Mwenda states, he is appalled by these Doomsday
preachers, who he believes are converting young people and diverting them from
fulfilling their potential and pursuing their careers. Instead of people coming
up with man made solutions to their problems, they are turning to prayer so
that the world may end quicker and their problems will be over. &lt;/span&gt;
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Uganda Teacher Julius Othieno describes children being taken out of school as there
is no point in schooling if the end is near.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;
&lt;/span&gt;Children are praying all night for the end of the world and not being able
to concentrate in school during the day. Also children are not taking medicine
when they are ill, in order to hasten their death. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;In the 1990s the Ugandan AIDS infection rate was cut from 30 to 5%,
unfortunately now people are not using condoms for protection, because what is the
point if the world is coming to an end, so sadly as a consequence the infection
rate is once again climbing&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;So this type of preaching is having a severe negative
impact. Therefore this situation is also something Christianity really does
need to address.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-AU&quot; style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.25em;&quot;&gt;I really have to question the real social conscience
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joined forces and put a real social conscience back into this nation and rein
in all of the extremists in this country.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;
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&lt;div&gt;One of the questions I most enjoyed answering in my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chrisfinan.com&quot;&gt;history of free speech&lt;/a&gt; was, &amp;quot;Since when did librarians become champions of free speech?&amp;quot;&amp;#160; There was a time in this country when the leaders of the book community believed it was their job to help suppress &amp;quot;bad&amp;quot; books.&amp;#160; &amp;quot;Titillation through the imagination is not a process of nature at all,&amp;quot; publisher Henry Holt wrote in 1922.&amp;#160; &amp;quot;It leads to more murders and suicides than all other causes put together.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Most booksellers and librarians thought the same way. An Atlanta librarian told the &lt;em&gt;Library Journal&lt;/em&gt; in 1909 that she hid trashy novels in the stacks in the hopes that no one would find them.&amp;#160; Booksellers joined the censors in suppressing books in Boston during the early 1920s.&amp;#160;&amp;#160; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So all of us book people were complicit in censorship.&amp;#160; Yet it was the librarians who came to carry the stigma of censoriousness.&amp;#160; The image of the shushing librarian is deeply ingrained in popular culture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the free expression movement in this country owes a lot to librarians.&amp;#160; In 1939, the American Library Association adopted the Library Bill of Rights, encouraging librarians to buy books based on their &amp;quot;value and interest,&amp;quot; ignoring &amp;quot;the race or nationality or the political or religious views of the writers.&amp;quot;&amp;#160; In 1953, when Joseph McCarthy was still riding high, librarians joined publishers in proclaiming the importance of intellectual freedom in a statement, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/statementspols/ftrstatement/freedomreadstatement.htm&quot;&gt;&amp;quot;The Freedom to Read.&amp;quot;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many librarians have shown great courage in upholding free speech.&amp;#160; One of the most celebrated cases occurred in 1950 in Bartlesville, Oklahoma, when Ruth Brown, the town&amp;#39;s librarian for over 30 years, was dismissed for subscribing to five &amp;quot;subversive&amp;quot; publications, &lt;em&gt;The Nation, The New Republic, Soviet Russia Today, Negro Digest and Consumer Reports&lt;/em&gt;.&amp;#160; (Yes, &lt;em&gt;Consumer Reports&lt;/em&gt;!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I knew about Ruth Brown, but I had not heard about Jeanne Layton until I read her &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sltrib.com/ci_8051826?source=rss&quot;&gt;obituary&lt;/a&gt; in the &lt;em&gt;Salt Lake Tribune&lt;/em&gt; the other day.&amp;#160; Layton also lost her job, not in the dark ages of the McCarthy era, but in 1979.&amp;#160; She was fired for refusing to remove Don DeLillo&amp;#39;s first novel, &lt;em&gt;Americana&lt;/em&gt;, from the shelves of the Davis County library.&amp;#160; (Davis is a small county just north of Salt Lake City.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems that Morris F. Swapp, a county commissioner who was also a member of the county library board, considered DeLillo&amp;#39;s novel &amp;quot;obscene&amp;quot; and instructed Layton to ban it.&amp;#160; He had picked a fight with the wrong woman.&amp;#160;&amp;#160; She not only refused to ban the book: she refused to accept her firing, launching a fight for reinstatement.&amp;#160; &amp;quot;Jeanne was a very small person in stature, but she was one of the strongest people I know,&amp;quot; her nephew, Craig Layton, told the &lt;em&gt;Tribune&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was not an easy fight.&amp;#160; According&amp;#160; to her nephew,&amp;#160; it was an &amp;quot;excruciating&amp;quot; experience for the librarian.&amp;#160; But she won her job back in 1980, vindicating the principle for which she had fought.&amp;#160; &amp;quot;It&amp;#39;s not the library&amp;#39;s role to determine choices for adults,&amp;quot; she told an interviewer in 1990.&amp;#160; &amp;quot;It&amp;#39;s important for the library to serve everyone in the community, not just select groups.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jeanne Layton died on January 19 at the age of 77.&amp;#160; Hers was a life--and an example--to be remembered. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;    &lt;p style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt; 
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            <description>    &lt;p&gt;I thought you might like to see the face of the Westhampton Beach, N.Y., bookseller who defended the use of &amp;quot;salacious&amp;quot; books at the local high school.&amp;#160; Terry Lucas is the woman in white.
    
    
    

    
    
    
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This picture was taken last weekend during the Christmas on Main Street celebration.&amp;#160; Again this year, Terry played Mrs. Santa Claus.&amp;#160; Those &amp;quot;elves&amp;quot; aren&amp;#39;t so innocent either.&amp;#160; They all participated in Terry&amp;#39;s banned books &amp;quot;read-in.&amp;quot;&amp;#160; (Read yesterday&amp;#39;s blog entry for more background.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The American Booksellers Foundation for Free Expression takes tremendous satisfaction in defending Mrs. Claus! &amp;#160; &lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt; 
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            <description>    &lt;p&gt;We lost a battle last week.&amp;#160; Approximately 75 parents of students at the Westhampton Beach High School on Long Island, New York, had complained to the school board about the inclusion of two books on a list of 300 titles that students can select for reading assignments.&amp;#160; They argued that James Patterson&amp;#39;s &lt;em&gt;Cradle and All&lt;/em&gt; and Jodi Picoult&amp;#39;s &lt;em&gt;The Tenth Circle&lt;/em&gt; should be banned because of their sexual content.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The first thing to note is that these parents were not complaining about books that their children were being forced to read.&amp;#160; Students could choose any of the titles on the list of 300, and parents were free to veto books they thought were inappropriate.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This fight was not about parental rights.&amp;#160; It trampled the rights of the parents who wanted their kids to be able to use these books.&amp;#160; No, this was your average power play by a group of conservative parents who want the school board to rein in the educators who put the books on the list.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And it worked.&amp;#160; The school board voted 4-3 last week to ban the books.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But the news was not all bad from Westhampton Beach.&amp;#160; The censors met strong opposition from community members who rallied behind the leadership of bookseller Terry Lucas, the owner of The Open Book.&amp;#160; Terry was one of four people who spoke at the initial school board meeting.&amp;#160; She circulated a petition and held a read-in at her store, which attracted 60 students, teachers, and librarians as well as a couple of local authors.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If your morale needs a boost, you can watch kids reading their favorite banned books in a video of the read-in on the Web site of &lt;a href=&quot;http://thelibraryclub.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/celebrating-the-right-to-read/&quot;&gt;the Library Club&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;#160;&amp;#160; Or you can look at the smiling faces of those who participated.&amp;#160; 
    
    
    

    
    
    

    
    
    

    
    
    

    
    
    

    
    
    
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If you want to do something to boost Terry&amp;#39;s morale, stop by the Open Book and buy a book for the holidays.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Independent booksellers have long been leaders in the fight for free speech.&amp;#160; If we want them to keep fighting, we have to help them survive.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;#160; &amp;#160; &lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt; 
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            <description>    &lt;p&gt;My own earlier post (is there a right to intelligence?) is the context for my reading of recent news that a national intelligence estimate was released recently&amp;#160;which contradicts the warmongering&amp;#160;Bush rhetoric about&amp;#160;Iran.&amp;#160;I was forced to ask myself what had changed in the intel community that would allow such a report to surface, when in the past - going back to 02&amp;#160;and&amp;#160;01&amp;#160;- the White House had exercised totalitarian control over intelligence reports. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A couple of news reports yesterday made the suggestion that the change of course was due to Sec Defense Gates, who apparently is (suddenly)&amp;#160;neither a hawk nor an ass-kisser. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course there has been turmoil in the intel industry, and it has to be settled somehow, or the govt runs the risk of having no functional&amp;#160;intel-gathering and analysis&amp;#160;capability at all. The intelligence community was a rush hour pileup. The whole system has been tossed into the ditch by&amp;#160;the&amp;#160;incompetence of Tenet and Freeh, the disaster that was&amp;#160;Colin Powell at the UN, bullying by Rummy his henchmen at the Pentagon, the internal demagoguery of&amp;#160;Wolfowitz, Abrams&amp;#160;and Bolten, the Hanssen espionage at the FBI,&amp;#160;the organizational bloodletting that was Porter Goss, the treasonous episode of Scooter, Dick and Valerie. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All of this has been&amp;#160;facilitated by the extralegal concoctions of AGs like Ashcroft and Gonzales, telling the Prez he doesn&amp;#39;t need to pay attention to the UN, to&amp;#160;sovereignty, to the Geneva convention, to the First and Fourth Amendments, to the Consitutional notions of oversight and balance of powers. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;During this&amp;#160;sick period, there has been criticism and&amp;#160;analysis.&amp;#160;Leaked out was some responsible bitching by Ray McGovern, Sibel Edwards and Scott Ritter. The 911 commission (Kean and Hamilton) made a couple of&amp;#160;strong criticisms while hiding&amp;#160;lots of skeletons. Shocking numbers&amp;#160;of experienced intelligence analysts left their jobs, and discussion spread out vaguely&amp;#160;from them into the press and academic literature.&amp;#160;The Defense Dept, NSA, CIA and Executive intel offices spent bristling energy excusing themselves to the 911 Commision, and to each other. All observers had a&amp;#160;&amp;#39;spooky&amp;#39; feeling that the dramatic reforms needed were not going to happen.&amp;#160;Perhaps many were even more spooked about the prospect&amp;#160;that intelligence as a profession in America was dying from the inside out.&amp;#160;Both of the fat insider parties collaborated on doing nothing.&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lots has be said about fixing&amp;#160;faults in intelligence and law enforcement agencies. The strategy selected by those in power was the creation of the Dept of Homeland Security - basically like trying to stop bleeding in the belly&amp;#160;with a full-body cast. Other reforms were pure pork, like installing new computer and telecomm systems and&amp;#160;across various agencies. Coordination between agencies and stepped up translation have both been fatally bogged down in bureaucratic backlog. Congress was superficially outraged but continued to keep themselves at a silent distance. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The situation -&amp;#160;after years of decay and confusion, after years of embarassed failure and excuse-making - the intelligence community found itself at death&amp;#39;s door. Without credibility, without leadership, without protections for professionals, without effective programs, without the ability to recruit. Would someone step up to save the patient?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Gates has been accused of being, in the past, from the camp whose philosophy is political, saying that the role of the intelligence machinery is to provide the White House with ammunition it needs to push its agenda. Now that the president has been rebuffed by the intelligence community operating under Gates, I am not so sure. Maybe Gates learned something. Maybe not. But this is a welcome change. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt; 
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            <description>    &lt;p&gt;Under the first amendment, protecting free speech, there is an implied
protection of information flow. Keeping information (generated in the
public community) away from people is a kind of violation of free
speech. Censorship is an example. 
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That leads to questions about WHAT information is subject to this public right. What public information should not be censored? 
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That leads to questions about open meetings, open records. The more
records and decisionmaking processes are locked up and hidden away, the
less freedom of speech there is. 
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But we could push the enquiry to the level of information and
decisionmaking that is traditionally kept secret, or considered to be
an exception to the constitutional guarantees of the first amendment.
Did the public have a right to know about secret recordings made by
President Nixon in the oval office? Does the public have a right to
know about the process of deciding which US attorneys were politically
acceptable to the White House and which were not? 
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Going further, I would like to ask why the public should not have the
right to intelligence reviews, intelligence briefings, intelligence
sources, and the impact of both good and bad intelligence on
policymaking. 
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Do I or don&amp;#39;t I have the right to examine the documentation that could
tell us whether the whole enchilada of the Iraq war was based on
systematic lying and manipulation? 
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Pushing back censorship. How far does it go? &lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Author Pat Conroy has sent a scathing response to censors in Charleston, West Virginia, who are trying to ban his novels, &lt;em&gt;The Prince of Tides &lt;/em&gt;and &lt;em&gt;Beach Music&lt;/em&gt;.&amp;#160; His &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wvgazette.com/section/News/2007102326&quot;&gt;letter to the editor&lt;/a&gt;&amp;#160;appeared in the &lt;em&gt;Charleston Gazette &lt;/em&gt;on October 24.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The books have already been pulled out of the hands of students at Nitro High School.&amp;#160; The school board is meeting tonight to decide whether to make the ban permanent.&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt; 
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            <author>nobody@vox.com(Chris Finan)</author>
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 &lt;div&gt;I have just created a new Vox group for First Amendment freaks like me.&amp;#160; First Amendment freaks recognize that the fight for free speech is a daily struggle.&amp;#160; &amp;quot;Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it,&amp;quot; Judge Learned Hand wrote in 1944.&amp;#160; In other words, we either fight for free speech or we lose it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As my opening outrage, I offer a controversy that began this spring when a student at Valdosta State University in Georgia decided to protest the university&amp;#39;s plan to construct two new parking garages on the campus.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In March, the student, T. Hayden Barnes, posted flyers around the campus that raised environmental questions about the plan.&amp;#160; In April, he wrote &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thefire.org/pdfs/d3aa9a50f327ba1263e522e78e790e30.pdf&quot;&gt;a letter to the student newspaper&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;#160;&amp;#160; He followed up with a letter to the university president, Ronald M. Zaccari.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Barnes soon received Zaccari&amp;#39;s reply.&amp;#160; On May 7, he entered his dormitory room to discover that a &amp;quot;notice of administrative withdrawal&amp;quot; had been slipped under his door.&amp;#160; &amp;quot;As a result of recent activities directed towards me by you....you are considered to present a clear and present danger to this campus,&amp;quot; Zaccari wrote.&amp;#160; To be readmitted, Barnes would have to undergo a psychiatric evaluation and to offer evidence &amp;quot;that you will be receiving on-going therapy.&amp;quot;
    
    
    

    
    
    

    
    
    
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&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As evidence of Barnes&amp;#39; purported derangement, Zaccari attached to his letter an image of the student&amp;#39;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://thefire.org/pdfs/b4dd6b0a21c428ec6f7bbf12b588702c.pdf&quot;&gt;Facebook page&lt;/a&gt;, which contains a number of images related to the parking lot controversy, including Zaccari&amp;#39;s face.&amp;#160; According to the university president, this was a &amp;quot;threatening document.&amp;quot;&amp;#160; The university was also worried because Barnes had &amp;quot;posted a link on his website page to an article discussing the massacre at Virginia Tech&amp;quot;; linked to an advertisement for a film competition that featured the tagline, &amp;quot;Shoot it. Upload it. Get famous. Project Spotlight is looking for the next big thing.&amp;#160; Are you it?&amp;quot;; and commented on his website that he was &amp;quot;cleaning out and rearranging his room and thus, his mind, or so he hopes.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Virginia Tech massacre, which occurred on April 16, was clearly very much on Zaccari&amp;#39;s mind.&amp;#160; He was so convinced that Barnes&amp;#39; actions constituted &amp;quot;a specific threat to his safety and a general threat to the safety of the campus&amp;quot; that he put the campus police on &amp;quot;high alert&amp;quot; and hired plain-clothes police officers to accompany him to &amp;quot;high profile&amp;quot; events.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Barnes has appealed his explusion to the Georgia Board of Regents.&amp;#160; The Georgia Office of State Administrative Hearings now has jurisdiction in the case and has scheduled a hearing for Nov. 26.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Unfortunately, there is nothing new about what is happening in Valdosta.&amp;#160; President Zaccari&amp;#39;s use of the words &amp;quot;clear and present danger&amp;quot; carries us back to a 1919 decision by the U.S. Supreme Court that upheld the imprisonment of Eugene Debs and other critics of America&amp;#39;s participation in World War I.&amp;#160; The Court ruled that expressing criticism of the war constituted such a serious threat that protesters could be sentenced to up to 10 years in prison.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
    
    
    

    
    
    

    
    
    
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However, much has changed since 1919.&amp;#160; Just six months after he wrote the unanimous decision upholding the imprisonment of Debs, Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes changed his mind.&amp;#160; In one of the most famous dissenting opinions in American legal history, Holmes wrote in &lt;em&gt;Abrams v. U.S.&lt;/em&gt;, &amp;quot;I think that we should be eternally vigilant against attempts to check the expression of opinions that we loathe and believe to fraught with death, unless they so imminently threaten immediate interference with the lawful and pressing purposes of the law that an immediate check is required to save the country.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The free speech movement was born just a few months later when the American Civil Liberties Union opened its offices in New York.&amp;#160; In the intervening years, it has fought hard to prevent government officials from suppressing speech that it considers threatening.&amp;#160; In 1969, the Supreme Court finally endorsed Holmes&amp;#39; view.&amp;#160; Today, the government can punish only direct incitement to violent acts that occurs in a context that is likely to produce violence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Clearly, T. Hayden Barnes is guilty of nothing more than unintentionally frightening a jumpy administrator.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is one other remarkable aspect of this case.&amp;#160; As free speech has grown in this country, so has the number of groups that are dedicated to defending it.&amp;#160; The ACLU was our only civil liberties group for many years, but there are dozens today.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The group that is trying to call attention to the Barnes case is the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thefire.org/&quot;&gt;Foundation of Individual Rights in Education (FIRE)&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;#160; I am grateful to FIRE President Greg Lukianoff for documenting this case in detail on his Web site.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;    &lt;p style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt; 
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